Podcast17-Edited

[00:00:00] Hello, and welcome to episode 17 of the 11 part six podcast. My name is Eric. I'm joined by my good buddy. William howdy, and my good buddy. John thought, you forgot about me there for a minute. Oh, William's on it's. It's a movie podcast. So at this I gave, I gave William the the heads up a little bit of a nod.

Just say, demoted is fine. You didn't, you didn't get demoted. John. It's just Williams here. So today we are reviewing another movie, which we just did attack of the clones. I think that was four podcasts ago if I'm not mistaken, but again, still hanging out around 22 BBY. If you're unfamiliar with our podcast, this podcast is dedicated to going through all of the new Canon for star Wars starting in chronological order.

So just to give you a taste of how that kind of works on our last podcast, we actually watched the first of the clone Wars cartoons, but we watched season two episode 16. And season one, episode 16, which both happened [00:01:00] chronologically before the clone Wars movie, which is the kind of the pilot for this series, which we're going to be reviewing today.

So today we're reviewing clone Wars episodes, technically episodes one through four, but we'll, we'll get it. We'll get into that in a minute. After we crack open our beers or drinks, I should say, John, what are you drinking? I'm having a, I just saw this one the other day. Creature comforts are good. Good friends are creature comforts get comfortable.

It's a hazy blind PA. Ooh, that sounds good. It's it's going to be delish. So creature comforts you, I believe were drinking a creature comforts on episode 15. And I'm trying to remember what the name of that one was. It's actually, I'm sorry. It's actually a CoLab. I did not realize, I didn't even notice you were going to here in Nevada.

You were not going to give somebody Cree. You were not going to give Sierra Nevada credit. And I love Sierra Nevada. So I apologize. I did not even, I wasn't paying attention, but yes. What a collaboration. Nice. William, let me guess. [00:02:00] So the first movie podcast you had a white Russian, I believe the last movie podcast for episode two, you had a, I think you described it as a muddled Brown.

Russian, is that right? That's correct. So what tonight? Tonight I have knob Creek on the rocks. Ooh, listen to this guy. Cause on that first one, you, you, you had, you bought a brutally tall, white Russian, and then the last one you said it's a smaller white Russian, but still very, very stout. And now you're drinking on the rocks.

Now. It's just like, Hey, I feel more sophisticated already. I know, seriously. I feel like I should be having some wine or something around here. So I am drinking a this is, this is a new brewery that I heard of John. Wondering if you even heard of them trim tab brewing. I have heard of that. I don't know where they are, but yes, I've heard of here in Alabama.

Someone stayed over tonight, my Alabama, but I'm drinking a grand prismatic, double dry hopped IPA. Wow. Yeah, it it's it's it's a cool can it's I think it's like 7% maybe overhaul it's part of the light vision's [00:03:00] collection, which is kind of cool. They're doing collections of your extra 6.5 or so for the pipe.

So I'm excited about, are you guys ready to pop? Well, Williams William can crinkle his glass. Yep. And check it. All right. Three, two, one, shit. Look at everywhere. It's about 10 ounces of a whiskey, 10 shots. Are you being serious? 10 ounces, 10 ounces. What is a shot is a half. So. Hmm. That's that's a bit, I'll be gone.

I'll be feeling warm after this is over. Yeah, that's a bit, that's a, that's not a small note. All right. I'm going to have to report in a minute because I just, I just completely screwed up my floor and screwed up the can stuff got everywhere anyways. Okay. So the clone Wars the clone Wars came out in 2008.

It was supposed to be the first four episodes of the actual clone Wars TV show. George Lucas decided that he wanted to make it into a movie like [00:04:00] it actually came out. It was picked up by Warner brothers. If I'm not mistaken and distributed, just like a normal star Wars movie, it is not to get into too far into the thing.

It is the least grossing star Wars movie ever made. And it's just being fair. It's pretty much the least favorable movie that was ever released in the movie theaters. It was the first four. It was actually, it was Dave feature debut in a movie and they stitched the four episodes together, I think pretty well.

Let's start, let's start off giving let's go ahead and set expectations here. William, give me a one through a hundred, ah, 72. Okay. Okay. So, so, okay. Let's know about it. Okay. John is pretty harsh. I really enjoyed this. I thought this was, this was quite good. And it had this been the first introduction to clone Wars.

You know, we did the other earlier in time episodes, last podcast. So I had a bit of an introduction there, but had this been the first introduction to these characters into the setting. I think it would've been great. So I'm going to go with an 85. This is [00:05:00] so weird. I'm the one voting at low. I'm always the one that I'm always the, I'm always the optimist of the crew.

I think I put, I put this guy probably about a 60 to 65 somewhere in there. Okay. You, you have to justify that rating, that slander it's slander. I think it's just, I'm over it. Bibles and writing slanders. I've written these literally slander John drinks, bed beers. It's written right here in my notes. All right.

So anyways Andy it's bad cookies, cookies. So yeah, I, okay. Let, let's start, let us, let's start off with the positives. So I think maybe part of this, part of my low score is because if you take these four episodes and know that they're four episodes, like I can kind of see the small mini stories in each of the episodes.

And it doesn't feel like a movie also, too. I felt like this is kind of the arts. Great. The music was really good. I have that in my notes and I thought that the music was really good, but the story you just kind of like you get, you get the soca introduction and I don't know what else do you get out of it?

I mean, it's just kind of like [00:06:00] three. Well for, I guess, small serialized stories I'm concerned. Good. You said you're doing it. You said you were going to start with a positive and that all sounds very negative. negative. Hear my music come in. I said really liked the music press. Yeah. This is your problem.

I'm trying to come up with a positive. Yeah. I mean, it's not bad. It's not, it's definitely not a bad, bad story, but it's not a great story either. And you gotta remember, this was something that came out in a movie theater that people wouldn't pay you 10 or 15 bucks to go sit there. No, I didn't know that either.

I thought this was, I thought this came out as it didn't come out as episodes. No, no, no, no. It was, it was an actual, it was not designed to be episodes. It was designed to be episodes and Lucas decided to make a feature. Well, I knew that I knew that part, but I didn't. I thought I went like straight to DVD or something.

I didn't think I went to the theater. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it went to theater. He was the lowest grossing movie debut for a star Wars movie. And maybe that maybe that's my problem. I'm. [00:07:00] Comparing it to a movie when I really should just be comparing it to four episodes of the TV show. Yeah. I think it's much more fair to compare it to episodes of the show because that's what it is.

Yeah, no, I agree. I totally agree. And I, it's a very cringy subject. I remember back when it came out because people were just kinda like, wait, what, you're doing a full movie on this. And it's like, when I think I'm pretty sure if I remember right. It was Lucas that came in and was just like, I really like this on a big screen.

Let's make a movie out of it. So, so bad call. It was a bad call and, and well, no, I take that back. It probably wasn't, I don't know. I have no clue how much money they made and even if it was the lowest grossing, I'm sure that's still what tons of movies would strive to be sure. But if you take it, in my opinion, as a movie, it just doesn't, it doesn't have the, the full plot appeal of a movie.

It just feels like, you know, four stories kind of woven together and they're working together. Okay. But they're not great. So that's a, that's a fine criticism. If you, if you judge it on movie merits. Yes. I was not judging it that way at all. I was judging it based on the [00:08:00] series as a whole. Yeah. Yeah. And William, you've got a lot more experience with the actual shows themselves too.

So you've seen pretty much all of them, I would suspect by now. And then going back to watch this movie, you probably just kind of feel like it's more shows, you know what I mean? What'd you just said makes sense that you know, I looked at the cast and this has more of the original actors than the regular shows shows too.

Yeah. If I, if I remember, right, Samuel Jackson is in this movie playing his characters voice, and then Christopher Lee was playing docu in the, in the, in this, in the movie. But in the shows it's, they're played by other people. Right. That's that's why, that's what I meant by this was obviously given a little bin.

I've been given a little better treatment than the rest of the episodes. And you got to remember, this was supposed to launch the episodes too. So even though John and I, of course, went back chronologically to watch the other two episodes because they happen before this. This was the launch of the series on cartoon network.

I believe. So. It was, it wasn't actual, you know, it was, it was a launch sequence and they had planned that and they knew what they wanted to do. And I really, I really wonder [00:09:00] what, what, what Lucas saw where he was just kinda like, I really want to see this on a big screen. You know what I mean? Like I don't, I don't know.

And maybe it was the, the graphics and art, and it's hard for me to, to look at that with the same. Oh my gosh, this is so awesome. Because you know, based on today's technology, it's not there, you know, my opinion and it's good. It's still looks good even today, but I will check them out. I'm sorry, what year did that?

2008 is when the movie, I mean, back then. Sure. TVs were tiny back then. Yeah. Yeah, no, I agree with you. I mean, I, I have, plus it's, it's it's money. I mean, it's money in their pocket, you know what I mean? It's kinda like I'm going to, yeah, I was kind of joking, but yes, I think that was definitely a business decision.

Like you said, throw it in the movie theater. It makes, you know, something that or an amount that any other movie would be very happy with. Sorry, I have to burn all my notes now because most of it's centered around talking about the art style, which I didn't realize you guys had already done the other two episodes, so I'm sure you've already heard.

No, no. You can feel free to actually feel free to critique the work style because I think we didn't touch on that. That much. [00:10:00] We didn't touch on that very much. I have notes here about that. Awesome. Good. We can talk about it. I will. So let's get into it. Let's get into it now, now, so and again, just please remember the us and hopefully some of the listeners haven't seen anything beyond this Williamson.

So if the arts style changes or something like that, you know, let's, let's refrain from talking about that, but the art style of this, I mean, I, I felt. Just based on the clone Wars episodes I have seen, I felt like it was a little bit better. I felt like it was more polished. Is that the impression you guys got then?

I pretty much see this series is, well, the two episodes that you mentioned, plus this dark style I think is consistent. I agree with that. Yeah. I mean, yeah. It's, I mean the overall style, like when I first saw this and actually avoided watching it for a long time, because I was so put off by the art style which is basically like Marinette French puppet style.

It reminds me of a Disney infinity. Did you guys ever play that game? [00:11:00] No. Yeah. So it was the 3d figures that you could plug into Xbox three 60. And I think X-Box one at the very beginning before they canceled it. But the art style is very, very reminiscent of those figures. It's blocky, but it's not a blocking in a bad way, in my opinion.

But I agree with the marionette style like that kind of like. Yeah, big head gangly arm type situations and yeah, no, I agree with that. Wait, let's get up to patient. My only issue was that I didn't have an issue with, with the RSL in general, but for some reason I think I know the reason, but for some reason, soca just really came across, you know, she was deep in that uncanny Valley and I think it's, and only her.

And I think it's because she, they tried to do the big, big eyes, you know, the classic trope of the big guys and it just plunged her into the uncanny Valley. I didn't have a problem with anybody else. That's interesting. You say that I'm trying to think of the other characters from the movie that job is uncle's zero.

I thought that was a very oddly drawn character. [00:12:00] I'm trying to think of anybody else. I thought there was a general toward the end of the episode where he sits down with everyone when everyone's trying to, by the time. And he looked kind of odd too. Like I, like, I felt like a complacent from some character I'd seen in one of the live action films, but then I really couldn't.

So it was like coming up to his character. The most important thing was before, before baby Yoda, there was baby Java. There was, that's a good goal. I didn't think about that. You're right. Yeah. The baby job of the and, and, and the, the knowing that he was sick so quickly was kind of an odd story step, in my opinion.

I mean, I understand that they had to do it to keep the chill progressing and that's a 10 o'clock thing. Yeah, exactly. I don't know what, w w what did you guys enjoy about it? I'm over here, like, like bad mouth and it's, so I enjoyed the to jump ahead. I enjoyed the, because you asked, I enjoyed the the end battle, like when they're fighting their way up the wall.

That was the wild. That was, that was good. That was really cool. Yeah. I agree with that. And then [00:13:00] Ventress really jumped ahead adventurous and one that seemed more like a proper duel, really fast jumpy, jumpy, jumpy. That that's, that's how it's meant to be. Yeah. I was like grasshoppers wielding lightsabers.

You mean like, like an attack of the clones where you just flip it all around. Like that's the part you like, right.

For those that have not listen to that episode. John did not like that scene very much. I just felt like it was very reminiscent of ruined star Wars. I feel like he was very mad. I feel like it was very reminiscent of bouncy Yoda, which is not that these characters, bad characters are meant to be this way.

This is, this is a good duel. It wasn't obviously Pinterest has the hots round. So, and maybe I missed that. You just go into that some more. Just the interactions between them. I love, I love the interactions and this is like I said, when I first, when I, I don't know if I said for the podcast or not, but I got misinformation.

When I first started watching this series and I skipped the movie, [00:14:00] so I went straight to episode, well, episode one, which is technically the fifth episode and never watched the movie until very recently. And that's when, fortunately, Eric, you corrected me that I was given very bad information and, but I was basically told that the movie was basically like a struck down version of all the episodes kind of like Battlestar Galactica did and the original where they took the, all the episodes and made it into a movie.

Oh, that's right. I forgot you thought it was like a summary episode or like a simple movie? Yeah. So when I watched this I was like, wow, this is, this would have, well, this would have been helpful. Cause like my whole thing was, they never explained where a Sukkot coming from, it came from and what's the deal with Pinterest and I'm like, well, I love these characters, but where the heck did they come from?

And you know, so that, that seriously helped. Eventually after six seasons just accepted it and didn't worry about it. But but anyway, getting back to the interaction between venturous and OB, when I, I liked the interaction between them, it's very like dual ask, like John said and but yeah, I, I love the dialogue between them, between them.

Yeah. I [00:15:00] think, I think one thing about the movie and really actually based on episodes that we saw last week, too, John, is there, this is a really confident OB one. Like I really feel like he doesn't feel like he can do any wrong. Yeah. Bordering on absolute arrogance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's exactly right.

Like it's almost like a, it's almost like a. He trusts, like whenever he sends a soca and Aniket off to, you know, rescue baby hut, like it's like, they know they're going to win and don't get me wrong. I'm sure you have to have that mentality when you're a general. And you know, you're fighting in this war and everything, but there's just, no, you guys go do this, I'll go do this.

We'll meet back here because we'll, we'll do it. We'll succeed in it. You know what I mean? There's no, it is almost borderline arrogance and it's almost like a least, Yoda's kind of worried about stuff, but I don't know. I just, I feel like all we want is extremely calm. And if you go back and do you remember the comics that we read that will be one in the mannequin story?

He wasn't as confident in that. And he definitely wasn't a master apprentice, master apprentice. He was, he was, he was younger. So he didn't, you know, he wasn't called in himself, but that's all it ever. But [00:16:00] in that comic, yeah, when he was a aniguns trainer no it's kind of character. Yeah, it really was because he was, he was so worried that he was doing stuff wrong and almost willing to, you know, give up stuff because he couldn't teach well and they weren't jelling, but then you get the lb one in this show and it's just like, Yeah, I'm going to go over here and do this.

Yeah. If massage comes in, we're fine. I'm not worried about it, you know, and it's almost like, okay, well what can hurt you at this point? You know? Yes. And when, when he went to negotiate the surrender yup. That, that was just, just dripping with arrogance because he knows, you know, take care of it and I'll have this cool moment.

It's just that one. I didn't like that very much. Yeah. You have no real plan. I think he suddenly became James Bond. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. That's great. That's a good one right there. Yeah. It is James, the bond light character. It's it's the swagger. And almost like the, the James Bond has like a cool arrogance to him.

You know what I [00:17:00] mean? Like it's like, it's like, it's swagger, but it's also kind of like, I don't know if I'm going to get out of this though. You know what I mean? I'm gonna do my best. I think I've got a good plan, but OB one just feels like I'm a God among men. Like, you know, what, what, what hurt me? You know what I mean?

It's just kind of like. I don't know, it's an odd way to see OB one, especially coming chronologically, where we saw have been, you know, as a paddle on, and then not really knowing his way as a Jedi and then not knowing his way really, as a teacher, to Andy Deakin previous to this. And mannequin's not that much older than the show.

I mean, you know, he's full on Jedi, but he's still not, you know, too much more. So. Yeah. I don't know. It's good. It's good. It's a, it's an interesting one. Let me say that. Sure. I'd found it really curious that cause the soca is she's literally wet behind the ears, right? Yeah. Or whatever you brand new.

I mean, she does through the whole movie, she doesn't want you to know that she wants you to be confident in her, but yeah, she is she's, which is a trumpet and of itself, but it was really fascinating to me that they're given this mission to go take [00:18:00] out the, the shield thing. Right. Yup. And they get there and they're like, yeah.

He's like, you know, applying the charges. So now the sheet is basically a young Ling and we find out the Jetta young lean training. Involves demolition. Yeah. And I think that's fantastic. Well, not just that, not just the demolition of the actual bomb laying, but also the the fact that she has all the, the, the fact that she can pull that wall down is really interesting to me.

Cause I'm like, wow, you literally just got out of training and you're pulling the walls down and making sure your kids okay. I mean, it's supposed to be, you know, this like this, like, wow, she's really powerful kind of the role, but then I'm just kinda like thinking, building her up, thinking back to like Sipho D S and, and in all the other paddle one relationships we've seen, nobody's that confident.

I mean, she's very, very confident, like almost where they're building her up to be equal to Aniket. You know what I mean? Like, like clearly trying to put her on the, on if not equal footing even more arrogant than Anacon. Yeah. There's, it's like everybody's fricking arrogant in this thing. Yeah. I agree.

In the star [00:19:00] Wars universe. Yeah. And maybe I'll wait for you to talk about the hubris. I'm waiting for him to just be sitting back thinking. Yeah, I've been told he goes there. Well, I think they also do a good job, I think explaining cause you know, our first introduction did the, guy's a Jedi and stuff, you know, obviously episodes four, five and six and, and you know, Luke's very old and he's very slow to learn and and you see the, how being raised in a proper Jedi setting from birth how much more powerful they are.

That's a good, yeah, no, that's a good, that's a great, yeah, I get that. And look at docu who was picked up as like a kid, you know, and now he's like, you know, running the pretty much the bad network. So then they're definitely trying to show and again, not, I'm not gonna talk them any future episodes, but the, it shows the, the quality of the product coming out of the Academy.

Yeah. Yeah. The factory, this exactly what I was gonna say, like the Jetta factory, this is like, this is, this is the sausage. Oh yeah. And many even, and [00:20:00] that's what you're talking about, you know, anagen, you remember? Oh Yoda had said that he's too old. So now we got a reference to that because, you know, she probably started, you know, five years before he did which would be white.

She may already, she would already be surpassed where he was at that stage. Yeah, that's true. And I don't, I don't know that I was necessarily comparing her to Annigan specifically, but, but I totally agree with that. Like, it's showing you that her extra years of training have not surpassed Anika, but at least brought her on, on par with what she wants to do at that point.

Yeah. Agreed. Yeah, exactly. At that point. And it gets already well beyond that, but yeah, at that point that's yeah, that's a good thing to note too. I have watched probably 20 to 25 clone Wars episodes over the years. I never really got into the series honestly. But I never understood why he called her snips and that, and that gets explained.

I had that same question. Yeah. That gets explained. Cause she's snippy. Yeah. Cause she was like snipping back at him whenever he first across that, whenever he first I don't want to say acquired her, but whenever he first [00:21:00] decided to let her be his paddle wad she gets snippy with him. It will point.

And he goes, okay. And then he starts calling her snips and I never, I never understood that in the in the shows that I watched, but snips gets referenced a lot. So yeah. At least now we know where it came from because I didn't get it. I mean, it's, it's not that hard, I guess, to put the puzzle pieces together for a lot of people, but I never, and it's interesting you say that you've seen 25 episodes.

The you've never really gotten to this. This is probably Probably my, I don't want to say favorite, but it's certainly up there. And if you gave me, if I had to choose between watching, you know, the first trilogy, second trilogy, the third trilogy rebels, this Mandalorian or whatever else. This is probably my number two.

Wow. Okay. So, so as, as a container, you're saying, taking the movie and the shows and containing them in the same kind of container. Yeah. This story, the real story, if yeah, the, the, yeah, this, unfortunately the, the clone Wars should have been, you know, mandatory, mandatory for watching the movies. Because so much [00:22:00] of it is left unanswered in the movie.

This was, I mean, I remember John and I talking about this years ago and him saying that, that basically that Well, I'm trying to remember exactly what you said, John, but basically that, that shouldn't be counted. The movies need to stand by their, on their own and, and, and they don't, they absolutely do not.

Well, so I look at, I look at them as milestones. Like, like you get to dive into such cooler characters with, and this is coming really from it's. It's interesting. Cause we're all approaching it from different ways. John watched all the movies, but didn't watch any of the filler stuff. William, you watched a lot of the filler stuff, like most of the filler stuff, but you didn't read the comics.

And whereas, whereas I just really read count comics and then the occasional book, and then I catch an occasional thing of, you know, rebels or clone Wars or stuff like that on the TV. So it's very interesting that we all have different takes on it because, well, let me say this, we all have different opinions on where you see the movies in the overall arc of things.

Based on what we kind of read and watched up until this point, which is, which is why I love this chronological order that we're going through. [00:23:00] Because now we were forced to, you know, I'm forced to watch the TV shows. John's forced to read the comics, you know what I mean? And, and William you've already bred and seen most of it anyway.

So it's kind of like an interesting way to, to, to let you look at how the series played out over different. Well, I'm getting to experience the comics now. It's like even more background that was just obviously missing just by my 10,000 foot view. And we're only in podcasts, 17 of this series.

That's going to w you know, by the time we get done with this, we're probably gonna have, you know, over a hundred podcasts. At this point, as someone who watched the comics, I definitely feel that the comics and books are specific character development and or side stories. And a lot of it being the latter, I feel like clone Wars, at least from this point that I have to watch.

And given, I haven't watched that much of it. And I feel like probably rebels and these other things will be like these middle layers that sit in between the movies. And then you, of course you have the movies as the Mo the milestones, but, but correct me if I'm wrong. I mean, too. I mean, it's just, that's the drift I'm getting from [00:24:00] right now and I'd be eager to see what John's vibe is right now, because he's coming from a completely different spot.

And I wonder if he's saying no, everything's to just support the movies. So you're saying that that's a misunderstanding of, of my position and I shan't stand for it. Okay. Yes, please. Please tell the Southern lawyer and say the state, your opinion to the court, a movie should be able to stand on its own star Wars episode for a new hope.

Right? When it came out, that was the only thing in existence. And people did not watch that movie in and wonder, you know, I don't, I just don't get it. I, I really need a comic book series, a television series, a bunch of novels to back it up. No, the movie broke records because it stood on its own. And towards the middle, I'm saying George Lucas himself would disagree with you.

He wrote it. I know he had the whole arc, but he can't deny because it propelled him to his, his rest of his life. That star Wars [00:25:00] episode for a new hope stood on its own by itself. That was the only thing required. It was a tight story. It was the whole, what's his name? The, the hero's journey thing. Yeah.

Joseph gamble. Yes. Joseph Campbell. Yeah. But remember it's self-contained he had toys, the Marvel comics and books lined up before the movie theater. Yeah. The comics comics were a big farmer and because he's a great businessman, but the movie, the movie stood on its own merits, but even the was very, was very side charactery in my opinion.

Oh yeah. They're there, they had specific issues that were redos of the movie themselves. But even then though he had the foresight to say, Hey, no, I want those dyes to be side stories or minor stories compared to the movies. So you can contrast that with one quick point. You contrast that with, I believe it was the third matrix movie matrix, revolutions, right.

Where it starts with, with Neo. It starts with Neo in [00:26:00] the train station. And we're like, what the hell? Why, what, what is this about? And it was because you had to watch the animatronics, which led into that. Otherwise it makes no, that's fine. If you want to tell the story then, but that means necessarily that the movie does not stand on its own.

Okay. So, so, so if, if I have a, if I have a story that can't be contained within a movie, like, is it bad for me to have other mediums before that movie? That is no, I actually drew no, no quality conclusion. I simply said the movie can't stand on his own. And you're agreeing with that and denying it at the same time.

Well, no, and I think, but I think in fairness, you are now. So-so objection, your honor. Overruled. Anyway think about this. And so what you just said about Americanized is accurate, but I think it's also accurate of you in the sense that the only reason you're aware of the movies not being completed on their own is because of us.

If you did not know about all this other information that we've edged you or that [00:27:00] you read on the internet, would you still have the same opinion about the movie not being hosted on its own? Yes. Yeah, because I had no idea what I had never heard about the animatronics when I watched the nonexistent third movie of the series and it just made no sense.

It opened, like I'm supposed to know what's going on here. I don't I must've missed something at the end of the last movie. I didn't, so that's on me. It wasn't on me. It was, it was how they crafted the story and how they distributed the story among the different media. That means that again, it's just that the movie can stand on its own.

That's all I'm saying. Okay. I, I get, I get your opinion on not standing on its own. I understand your point there. In the, in the age of the internet, can you do that? Yeah, that's unfortunate. That is the trend now. Even like star track. I mean, it was happening when, when we were watching like discovery and even, you know, even the lower decks, I think, did it didn't any of the that there's these like webisodes and if you don't watch them, yeah, it's still good.

But you know, I was still like, what did I miss? I feel like I like, they're laughing at a joke that you [00:28:00] don't get. Yeah, like 2008 for this movie. I think that, I think that there Easily could have been you know, and I don't know that there was, but like archetype, like I'm, I'm not saying specifically for star Wars, I'm saying for around 2008, like archetype ends and all that kind of stuff where they may have boosted this movie by giving you other stuff that I just don't know about.

I mean, it's not in our official Canon list, but maybe it was out there. I just don't know. That's why I wanted you to go back. I didn't get a chance to comment on something. You had said that in your, in your mind, you said that the, that the movie's focused on story in the comics focused on character. Is that what you, and then in my opinion, right now, comics really focused on the minor care or a minor story.

So stories that, that happened with Luke and happened with other people, but they were, they were not, you know, anything near that would have helped you in the actual movies to, to know that character any better, but also in the, and this is not I'm. I should also say too, this is coming from an opinion of the marble and the dark horse.

So you gotta take those out now, cause they're not Canon, but also the. [00:29:00] It gave you more, more color and flourished to smaller characters. Like people that like like it makes window, like we, we just got done with it makes me into comics, serious, John just people like that, that you just kinda, you want to know more about, but it's not th they're not gonna, they're gonna tell you more about the character, but they're not going to really move anything in the, in the major story along if I may employ an anatomical metaphor, the movies are the organs, right.

Heart to brains, the lungs, the the, the TV shows. And what have you, those are the connective tissue and the comics are the flesh. I don't know what the blood, yeah, I, I think I would go more. Yeah. I don't know about flesh. So let me do the fleshing out the characters. That's literally what you said. I haven't been patiently waiting for 15.

Go ahead. Go ahead, John. Walt stopped talking. Anyway, the no, I'm just kidding. And the, and the RNA is the, again, this is my opinion, too. Like you said about the car. I don't know anything about the comics. I've watched the, the, the, the TV series, [00:30:00] the TV series are very different. The rebels is completely different than this.

I w I would say this isn't an opinion. I mean, I'm sure billions of people out there who disagree with me clone Wars is all about the force. It tells you everything about it, but at the end of it, you will have no, in my opinion, everything I did to know about the force I learned from this series character development, if that's what you're looking for, you're going to be disappointed, I think, but a SoCo I'd hit that said, I don't know, it's kind of all over the place.

Maybe it's a seasonal thing. No, actually it may be, this is why I'm very interested to rewatch this because, you know, I watched this long time ago and I've binged it, you know, and I think you guys are familiar with that. So maybe it was just, you know, a couple episodes that focused on the force, but I seemed to like a lot of things very like where did the force come from?

That kind of stuff. And my metaphor stands, Yana the connective tissue. That's the kind that you're describing connective tissue. And so I don't feel, I don't think that it split for me to even say that because I honestly don't remember, but I that's. That's, [00:31:00] that's what I think, obviously as I'm right now, I'm only on season two.

That's gonna be watching this stuff. You wanna watch rest anymore and just spoil it for me? Yeah. Completely. No, you gotta know what it is. I think it would actually, based on what you're singing about standing alone, it will probably make you more mad. It doesn't, it doesn't make me mad. Yeah. Oh, okay.

But no, I, I really enjoyed the story, but unfortunately it is a what do you call it? Well, it's, it's, it's, it's a show. It's very like, they'll have I enjoyed it because it's episodic, but then there are like, you know, like. It would be like a three parter. So they're all like little mini movies, which I thought was kind cool.

Yeah. You'll notice like there's this two episodes you just talked about, even though they're run out of order, that's kind of how the series is going to go. Like every two or three episodes, we'll all be related. So kind of connective tissue issue. So I would suggest, and then you mentioned this other doctor when you're, when you're, when you're doing the episodes.

Don't just like, say Oakland and do two, because there may be three in that particular series. Well, [00:32:00] as you were saying that arc, yeah, that's a good call and we made it, we may do that. And we started off with those two just because there was only two before this movie, but yeah, I may have to investigate and say, Hey, should we watch all three of these at the same time to do a podcast on, but man, I'm so glad you had me watch this movie because like I said, I watched those two episodes and I'm like, well, what the hell happened?

I just, I mean, there suddenly on the planet and then. Nothing. I mean, they never go back to it and I'm like, Oh, Oh, they up, they actually ended that story before they started them. That makes sense. But so, so, so one thing I want to talk about and I have in my notes was that the monastery was on the planet of Tet, right.

There was an, and this is in, this is not trying, I'm not trying to draw political things into this, but it's an offense on Tet, right? Like that's really what it was that no I'm asked. No, I'm not saying it was I'm asking is, is, did y'all see that because I didn't, but then I'm also kind of like what a weird planet to introduce and [00:33:00] have, you know, these things crawling up mountains.

Having people shoot down at you, et cetera, et cetera. I, what seemed weird to me was you're coming in, you know, with spaceships and airships and you decide to crawl up the tower. Yes. Yeah. You go all the way to the ground and then go up the wall. Now, now that's that I enjoyed the wall battle, so I enjoyed it.

Why wouldn't you just go straight down on top of that? I want to know why count cuckoos forces have radar and the Republic doesn't I mean, you remember, they, they, they knew they knew they were coming in. Yeah. They knew they were coming in, but I mean, the, they had the Republic. Soldiers had no idea. I'm like you guys have crappy technology.

The I did not notice that, but I guess that's pretty bad that I told you to. And it also too, one thing that I noticed that I was kind of weirded out about is that there's parts of this where docu and OB one are pretty close to each other. And this, I have that in my notes and I'm like, and I'm like, how does she, how does he not feel docu.

He's right there. Him. Yeah. He's a, he's like literally in the next room over [00:34:00] like waiting for a meeting and you're not going to have to, yo you have to accept that because look at the main trilogy, right. That the guy was able to hide literally in plain sight. Yeah. And no one, no one realized what was going on.

It's a trope and poverty and literally walking around all the Janai. No, that that's what, yeah. I'm sorry. That's what I, that's what I'm talking about. The Palpatine established that. That's just, that's the thing. It's okay. It's a Sith thing. It's a CIT thing. Does he understand, obviously it's only one sided because docu knew that OB one was there.

It was the other way around that didn't work. Exactly. Right. Exactly. Yeah. I agree with that. So, so that's what I've decided. So I think it was a landscape. I have that in my notes. I think that when he's wearing his Cape, he just can't detect anything. So just like reverse cab LAR it makes him stupid. Or when he puts the Cape on kryptonite, I didn't script.

I did have my notes. I love the [00:35:00] quote unquote Tet offensive part or where they're growing up the wall. That's amazing. Really cool idea. I loved it. I agree with John. They could have just bombed up from the top, but the last, whatever the music was really good in that scene, in the music. And then once, once I watched that, I kind of went back and looked the music's really good throughout the whole movie.

Oh man. It was good throughout the whole series. I was impressed. I was like, this is like, like I asked the question, you're gonna make me ask the question. I don't know who did it. I don't know who did it. Oh, no, it wasn't. It wasn't, it wasn't. We, it wasn't Jen Carlo or waves or any of those guys. It wasn't constant.

It was somebody else. I think it may be different per episode because I mean, they'll have like episodes, I mean, they'll have the music that just totally brings back, you know, apocalypse now vibes. It really was, it was, it was very it's Kevin Kinner, kinder, kinder, or kinder. I'm not sure which but let's go for a scoring CSI, Miami star Wars, the clone Wars and star Wars.

Yeah. You're in for it. If you liked the music in the movie, you guys are in for a good ride. That is, that is to me the best part [00:36:00] of the entire series. It's just the music. Yeah. It really was. It was like, it stuck out so much that it was good. Like, I remember rogue one doing the same thing for me. I was just like, wow, this music is really good.

Like it really fits the, you know, fits the part and is very well done. And it's okay. So, so, so this is our first introduction to a soca and John, I know that you've watched Mandalorian. And so you have like a feel of who she is, but not the backstory and that kind of stuff. Yeah, no, no backstory at all, but she was one of those, you know, heavily pushed, marketed characters.

So even though I never saw her in anything, I know who she knows what she looks like, you know? Yeah. But nothing about her. So what I saw in Mandalorian that was all new to me. No idea. If that's true to the character or an evolution of the character, I suspect the latter don't tell me. So it was, it was neat to see.

Yeah. You know, here she is coming into the story. I'd say it was amazing to me. I mean, obviously you're going to see her age, but you know, later on at the end, when she becomes older, how much that character ends up looking like the actress they hired. I, I it's, it's crazy. I [00:37:00] mean Yeah. I mean, I don't know.

You probably don't wanna Google John cause you'll probably spoil it, but yeah, they did a good job. Let's put it that way. The candidate for casting, because at first I was, I was, I was not happy with it cause I don't know. Yeah. She's been in like all of the, all the defenders shows. But then the Shannon's like, no, no, no, go look, look, look at the later episodes.

And so I did and they're like, yeah, that's pretty much spot on. Once the, the being eyes go away, you know, so also too, one thing that I noted in the movie was whenever they return all the bounty hunters heads, I was like, that's a little bit of a different star Wars to me. You know what I mean? Like, do you guys remember the bounty hunters that they had?

Don't know what you're talking about? Yeah. There's a certain way. Yeah. They sent, they sent bounty hunters to go rescue. Baby hut or Java scent, bounty hunters to go rescue hut, the monastery on Tet with a Sosh. And the only thing that comes back with their heads and it shows their heads. And I'm like, that's kind of [00:38:00] a interesting, like, like seeing that on number one, sing it in the movie.

I mean, we just saw it in the ninth episode where somebody had got cut off, but like, it's not like a big thing. And then, but seeing it in the cartoon version, two's kind of like, Ooh, you know what I mean? Like that's for star Wars. Oh yeah. You guys are in for a wild ride. I'll say it again. Okay. Yeah. Don't don't elaborate, elaborate.

But I was just kinda like, okay, well, cause you know, you got like the, you got the Mandalorian vibes for the, you know, the heads on spikes. I've got a question for you. Right? So empire strikes back Luke's outwork. It goes into the dark cave tree thing. And cuts Vader's head off. Yeah, that's a kid's movie, right?

Is he his head? He made helmet. Yeah. He made that, but that's also more of a device to show his face inside the helmet though. Right? I mean, not like to necessarily decay. I know, I know all of that exists has already been portrayed in the star Wars universe. John evidence holds there was a hidden inside a helmet and it was off of [00:39:00] buddy the robot picking up the soldier and just shooting in the point blank range and the chest while he couldn't move.

That was kind of brutal. There was, yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, there was, there were some scenes in this one that were kind of don't know, I'm not saying bad. I, I, you know, I enjoyed it a bit, but just more than I expected from. And part of it's just coming because it's in cartoon form and your, your mind is not in that context of, yeah, I'm not, I'm not going to see something.

And then you're like, Whoa, I just remember it makes, it always brings back memories of when and I guess in the mid, early mid eighties, when a Robotech was launched over here in the United States and parents lost their damn mind because they thought it was a kid show. It's cartoon must be a kid show and they're showing, you know, you know, pilots of planes being splattered all across their windshield.

And that was bad to get it banned. So then you couldn't watch it at all and yeah, but John's right there. The head's been chopped off has already been established. And it was, you know, in episode two as well, a window Oh yes. Good call William. I didn't [00:40:00] even think about that. I forgot about that.

That's that headlock might be better than John's had the law because that's not what happens earlier than in the chronological order. There is a headlock right there. Good chronological order. Yes. Release order. No. Agreed, agreed. But I'm just saying there was a, there was a Lucas made film that there was a headlock off other than the symbolism headlock off.

All I'm saying is that apparently it's okay for Jedi is a lot bump heads. Here we go. They're going be only one that's right. It says, all right. So I have to have the answer to this. What is the problem with the big shield thing? Reaching the cannons? Why, why is that a problem? Good. I can't shoot clothes.

You can't shoot clothes? No. They're artillery units. Yeah. They have to, they have to, my, my, my thought on that was that they're projectile. So if you get too close to them, you can destroy pretty easy because they'll shoot over you. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. I mean, if you, if your sense, [00:41:00] if you were a point blank range with a, how it's recru, who's going to win.

Can you hold, pull the string and you know, a mile away, some poor guy, a mile away, he just died. He doesn't even know why he's on your side. That's the thing. Yeah, he shouldn't have been there. Thank God John Howard's are so I don't know if you guys noticed that. I think, I think it's an every star Wars movie.

It's not, it's not just the a bad feeling about this, which has been in every single movie episode book. I think everything is also the Ville helm scream. And I was so pleased to hear it. And this episode, what is the scream? I'm, I'm an educated on this. I know, I know about that. I got a bad feeling about this, but I didn't know about the Ville Hill.

It is the

public demand part of the public. And I thought it was actually called there's a movie, basically filmmakers and TV makers have like from the early seventies, a collection of sound effects. And like every movie uses the Bellarmine screen. I mean, you hear it. You'll absolutely know it. Well, because they're free they're public domain understood, understood star Wars.

I mean, [00:42:00] we used the heck out of it. The original star Wars become it's become its own tradition has become a way for sound engineers or whatever. They're called to kind of put a stamp on it and say, you know, boom, there you go. Yep. So, so w where does it, what does it again? And I'm not joking. I I've, I I've heard people talk about the village crew, but I never knew exactly what it was.

And I definitely didn't know that it was in the star Wars movies. What scene in this movie? Is it It's when one of the right after the one guy gets shot in the chest by the robot and another one gets knocked off the cliff and he screams it while he's going down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Yeah. I'm actually going to go back and watch it. So wait, wait. So, so William and where are I going to go since we're doing, what do you remember? Yep. Yeah. We to just no, no missing it, but the, the first, it actually came from a crocodile eating a person originally

was that the real sound? That was the side effect. The, the, the, yeah, the guy getting eaten [00:43:00] that had been recorded, a man getting eaten by no, no, not really. Anything that happens that literally happens darker that like, I was like sitting there like, Oh my gosh, like I killed the dude. They play the Wilhelm in temple of doom.

When the guys are being ripped apart by Crocodiles. It was originally recorded. Pretty good. Original, according to 1951 in a movie called distant drums. And then this is like a whole subculture. I, no, no, you have no idea if tangent, there, there, there are classic sounds that you've heard in every, like everything, the, the, the, the Eagle cry.

I'm sure, I'm sure once it's an inner CRO call that's in every Simpsons episode. I mean, they're there, this is a whole sub genre of a fandom, right. So, so, so since we've only gone through episodes one and two William, do you know where the Wilhelm scream is in those two movies? No. Okay. I just didn't.

I just didn't know if you knew off the top of your head, I am again, of a certain. Googling will tell you. Oh yes. [00:44:00] Matter of fact, I'm actually looking at it right now and it actually has the, like what, where to go to on like every single movie that does sound effects you use done. And it's like thousands of them.

I noticed that every time, no, I'm not gonna, yeah, I'm gonna, yeah. I'm gonna have to notice it. And I hope that it doesn't pull me out of whatever I'm watching. I was going to say, once you hear it. Yeah. Once you hear it, you will not ever be able to unhear it. You'll be like, Oh, this is the real home. That's great.

Yeah. So that's a, yeah. It's like a curse. Like, I don't know if I want to hear it. I was so cracking up with the thought that some dude really got eaten by an alligator and somebody recorded it. And then now everybody's just like, Oh, I'm going to put this into my movie. That's why the public domain.

Okay. So last, before we leave overall I think I may raise my 60 to 65 a little bit just because you guys have brought a little bit more perspective into some of this stuff, but I'm still under 70. I still feel like it's not. So harsh. Well, it's the movie aspect of it. And I'm just [00:45:00] in the context of, do you not enjoy William screams?

Yeah, I just, I, I still I'll bring it up to a 70 and I think we even give it a 74, 76. I forget which two I thought. Okay. 72, you guys were in line. John really enjoyed this and I'm happy generally enjoy this just because we've got such a long stretch of glitters episodes to watch. I'm really happy. John loves this.

So we introduced a segment on the last podcast where just two or three minutes really quick. What are you guys watching outside of star Wars right now? Because basically you know, and we all work through the day and then we'll have some time at night to be able to watch media and stuff. And, and I know John and I, our kitchen have a clone Wars episodes.

We, and what else are you watching outside of star Wars? I have been watching and just finished the day. Matter of fact. So what was essence on, what is that clicks? So imagine Big trouble in little China without, without Kurt Russell before you said without the, without, so you have a little less of a B movie.

So basically the same aspects you know, there's a, [00:46:00] the there's five people who have that different elements, you know, air, fire, wood, you know, that kind of stuff. And basically the Wu assassins job is to kill them, which is why, because they're called Lou and his job is to kill them. And it's kind of like the, you know, basic what Kurt Russell was kind of character ended up being, I think, in the movie if I remember.

But it it's still of that kind of stuff, but, but it's, it's, it's, it's really good. I forget his name, you know, the guy that played the judge now, overall judge and iron chef he's the monk. So basically what amazed. So basically whenever the Willow assassin goes into a Samson mode, he turns into that guy so that his identity is not given away.

That's this is all not the very beginning. The movie I'm going to show us. I'm not spoiling anything there. I won't go back. Yeah. But I, I enjoyed the hell out of it. Yeah, it's it's if you like Kung Fu movies and like Chinese fantasy, and this is right up right up your alley and it it's a pretty big, I'm assuming it would definitely a pretty big budget.

I think. So. I mean, it it's, yeah. It's, it's pretty good. The, the only bad thing I want you to now is that it's [00:47:00] still up in the air about whether or not there will be a season two, or if it's going to be a movie or neither. So it's not, it doesn't leave. I mean, it doesn't end in a, you know, like a horrible cliffhanger or anything like that.

They certainly left it open for another season. Whether or not that happens with the, you know, this was all this was made in 2019. So it was before the pandemic. So sort of that put a damper on everything. So speaking of ending on a cliffhanger and, or not ending on a cliffhanger, John, are you still watching the Babylon five or have you moved on or I, I have moved on a bit because once you get into season four are you watching it now or no, I'm not.

I just remember. Okay, well, I'm not, I'm not going to get specific. And once you get into season four, there's it shifts focus and I tend to lose a bit of interest. So I'm letting that lie. And I mean, come on, dude, what am I about to say, what else are you watching? What am I going to say? What is Uber hot right now?

And the source of great controversy? Is it controversy? Is it really? I know we didn't know [00:48:00] we'd assessed on our discord a lot, but one division is not that that's a division. It's a, it's a, it's a pretty universally loved show. Even though there may be episodes of different medias, even you and not to turn this into a one division podcast, but even you cannot deny that they set some things up and then dropped them.

Did you see my apology? Now? This is because you did not want it. We, we got, we got to remember it. We got to remember, we cannot spoil anything about one for any listener, so just make sure we are. Oh, no, no, no. I gave the, the gentleman that I linked to you guys before that does every it's hilarious. Cause he was wrong about a lot of things, but he's just.

The screen gross guy. Is that what it is? Yeah. I look about him before I watch him, dude. Yeah. He's good. Yeah. You should definitely watch that after, especially now that you finished it, I would not recommend watching it beforehand. But yeah, watch that because he explains why all so happened. And like the Easter eggs and [00:49:00] he does like an Easter egg count as he goes through each like Shannon and those are all those, those are fantastic.

Those are fantastic. But a lot of them, a lot of the, the the teasers D for example, I can't say that. Yeah, you can't, , there's one really big one that just went nowhere. I mean, on purpose, they, they, they, they, they went it, they, they shoved it, like crammed it down and it's like, Nope, this doesn't mean a thing.

He talked about it. He got caught up in it too. And it was just a big, you know, I don't have a problem. I don't have a problem with that. I, I, my I'm actually. Kind of okay with that. I mean, do your thing and if I'm, if I'm entertained and fantastic, it's just funny to me that so many of the so many promising aspects did not pan out anyway, that's one division.

So the other thing I'm watching is a hit history of tanks, which is neat. . Hell I don't know. It's on probably prime video or net Netflix. I watched, I think it's prime video prime video thing. It's like history, drinks, [00:50:00] great stuff. Okay, cool. Yeah. Very, very nice. Very neat. And that into the whole season, or is it like, no, it's like four episodes.

There's not a lot of history tanks, you know, basically they slapped some tracks on the thing and you're done then that led me into a band of brothers every now and then wait, wait, wait. Say it again. What was the last band of brothers? I mean, you're rewatch you go into, I have to every now and then it's like, I watch it every year.

I watch it every year. Yeah. And I just, just about finished with that. It is, will you move on to the Pacific. No, I will not. Ooh, that's that show is an obligation watch FA Oh, 10, 10 out of 10 amazing show. But that is not a fun watch. That is a grind. I agree. We absorb history. Yeah. I agree with that.

Brothers is just wholly. Yeah. I mean, come on. Yeah, no, I understand your reasoning for not watching. I think the pre production level, not the casting, not the acting, but the production level was just as good as the original. So. I [00:51:00] can tell you why she didn't four. Does that, do you know why it doesn't? Yeah, we, we, we discussed this on a previous podcast because Eric is the the new on this.

He has no, I've never watched Babylon. No idea. So yes, I, I had to tell him, look, season two is where it gets really good. And then things, things change in season four, season three is off the charts season four. You can tell that it's kind of a game of Thrones thing going on there where they kind of cram it all in and then season five happens.

And just like, I don't know. Yeah, because it wasn't written. Yeah. Yeah. We, we, we would, we would over this all last podcast and

universe, it's funny. You don't know when you have a Seinfeld fan, whether they are pro Babylon five or Anton Babylon may never actually have a neutral right. Well, there's two. You are Bevin neutral. Yes. Thank you. From the technology aspect, because I would make a huge [00:52:00] Commodore Amiga fan and he's a video toaster.

Shannon was actually trained on the video toaster when she was in school. Wow. So she did video editing and so yeah, we're both video toaster fanboys. So people, people that have not watched are Babin neutral. Would you say that the people that like it are Babba high-five and then the people that don't like it, or Babbitt cried, stop, stop, stop.

And try not to turn this into a Babylon five podcast.

it's right there. It's there in the it's it's there. Like I have to mention it. I'm like it's. Oh, so overtly. Yeah. Okay. Anyways. Agreed. What other similarities are there with the Tet offensive? Eric do tell us, well, people shooting down from you from the mountains. You're crawling up the mountain there. So there's a couple of different things in there that I, but I it's.

So it's such an obscure or weird thing too. Parody. I don't want to say period. That's the terrible word. I'm not saying parody at all. but to, to reference if they meant to do it, I'm [00:53:00] like, that is weird. There's no freaking way that, I mean, there there's no parallels at all. It's a wasted reference. If that's what it is.

It was a, I need a name for planet that works. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm just saying, I'm just saying it's it's it's it's in the realm of consumability. I thought, I thought it was a really weird ad. Alright. Let me talk about my shows, my shows, how come I was only given one. I didn't know. I mean, you take your, what you've been watching lately.

Like one show you guys like 12. I don't know. I have a lot of free time. What was your other one? That's all one watching. W w no, I watch obviously one division and I was informed. I don't know, Jonathan, you saw my, my heartfelt apology that I didn't give you. I was told to give you, but I didn't. But yeah, I a, even in a single movie you can have good parts and bad parts.

I don't disagree. I don't disagree. It's wrong. Anyway, you disagree with that. Any, any things spanning more than a few seconds can have a good part. Yeah. That's what it was. [00:54:00] But introduce you do my sex life. I mean, there's

parts. So you say it's Bevin neutral or would you say,

Oh, I'd say, why don't you, I started trying to watch called Oh it's on Netflix, I think called, I dunno, like the explanation or something like that. It's like a documentary that tells you about different things. And one of those episodes was on female orgasms and yeah, that was, you're talking about Vox explained.

Is that what it is it's called explain by box. That is a great show. I could not finish that episode. I mean, I'm just like, Nope, no, you need to, that is such a metaphor right there. I couldn't find the ending of it. And moving on to my shows that I'm watching please God Melina report. I've just been watching old movies.

Yeah. I've been going back through star tracks. I've been going back through all the star Trek movies. Last night I randomly [00:55:00] decided to watch Shaun of the dead. I don't know why, but I w which is a great movie. I've seen it before, but it was just, so I think we'll probably need to do the whole Cornetto trilogy and the next couple of nights.

And then, I don't know, after that, man, I don't really have anything that I've been watching show, Oh, let me take that back. Me and my wife have been watching tournament chefs, sorry, tournament of champions, which is on food network, which if you're into food, Prep shoes. They're pretty good. It's usually like, you know, two guys battle that are two and say two guys, two chefs battle it out within 30 minutes to make a dish with these four different things that are randomized on a randomizer.

But it's pretty good. It's pretty good show. Like it's, it's a neat GFI area. Of course is the host of it. And he does a really good job. And that's probably the only thing that I've been watching regularly besides one division, which we've already touched on. You mentioned star Trek. I will say that was about the 20th time.

I did try to start watching Voyager again. So all casts and like Nope, done and turned it off. Sorry. I I've never, other than star Trek, the next generation in the original TV shows, I've never watched any side series for star Trek, even [00:56:00] Bacardi. I've never watched D space nine. Yeah. That's wow. You could give that one a shot if you like Babylon five, supposedly that's where DSI came from.

They, yeah, they ripped it off. Yeah. You never watched bell on fi wait, wait. Yeah, never watched Babylon five. Do you space nine? What's the other, there's the Picard series. There's no, that's different. What does w sorry, as a star Trek newbie, what is Voyager Kathryn Janeway, which is Katherine Hepburn, basically.

Imagine Catherine had burned him and the Delta quadrant , but he's not wrong.

The concept behind Voyager Wars, they get kicked across the galaxy. This is not spoilers. They get kicked all the way across the galaxy. It's going to take them 70 years at high warp to get back. And that's their journey. Yep. That's true. Fantastic premise. That's a good point. I agree with that. I agree with that.

That sounds like a neat, interesting thing. Awesome. Awesome. It's going [00:57:00] to be full of constant despair and like, Oh, it's, it's, it's, it's a, a reset central it's like episodes over reset back the way you were. You just, you just spent three weeks watching episodes that didn't happen. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Okay. We're just get through it.

Whatever. And then there's cameras and there's cats, but she turns into a ball, but what other, what other Trek? What are the search? Right? TV shows where they're enterprise enterprise. Hmm. I remember enterprise discover, discover or discovery. I never remember the name of discovery discovery. Okay. And it's crap.

Anyway, the enterprise was not bad. The first season was kind of men. No, it was definitely men within it. Got to kind of go or when did it? Well, like what? Ooh, like early two thousands people couldn't get past it, but 20 years old. That people couldn't get past the theme song was the biggest problem. That was a real problem [00:58:00] road.

Bon Jovi. Welcome to star Trek fandom. I haven't heard. Yeah, this is why I don't get into star Trek. This is why I'm the John of start star Wars is because I just watched the movies and kind of go from there. Yeah, you can't, you can't go wrong. W I do want to clarify though I think we're about to wrap up when you say watching all the star Trek movies.

Do you mean like from star Trek, the motion picture. That's where I started. Yep. Yeah. I started, I started with two. I started with vigor and then I am now two, yeah. Now to Picard land. Okay. So I have to say so Shannon and I went through and noon pocket all this out, but anyway, we don't even want to do my rambling, but Jan and I watched all the series, the original series and then went into the movies and I was like, you're in for a doozy because the end of the show is cheesing.

Like, you know, whatever and all of a sudden motion picture, and this is dark as hell. I mean, just so dark. And it really is. It's not, it's not poppy. I agree with that. Like, it's not, it's not a fun, well, let me say that, like, it's still a fun movie. It's just the, it's [00:59:00] not really fun. Amazing. Yeah, it is. I mean, that is like, I I'd probably say that's worse than black hole as far as, as being dark.

Yeah, but see, see, I saw you guys have to understand that and make sure you guys understand this because this is a very big thing. My favorite star Trek is undiscovered country. Okay. Oh, you guys are agreeing because anytime I tell anybody that's in the star Trek that they're like, what the whales, why would you, why would I have a run with that?

That's great. I don't know. Usually what I tell star Trek people. They're always just kind of, like I said, the final frontier we're no longer. Okay. I see where the line is drawn. Why does God need a star ship? Yeah. Yeah. Well, so yeah. It's yeah, I, yeah, in the whole brother thing, but yeah. Anyways, he's got a sister too, so don't forget that.

Yeah. So, so let me, let me, let me say this about, let me say this about that movie is not as bad as I, I remembered it being, but it's still pretty bad. Yeah. I agree with that. [01:00:00] What, which movie you're talking about, but over to here, Oh, yeah, it was awful as flat out awful so bad. I think that the, I think that the other than the, the, the Shatner being hero kind of thing, I think that the actual story was interesting and kind of went places like the garbage that star Trek would not go and give any more credit.

I mean, he headed that whole thing. I mean, you know, yeah. Of all the original series movies, one through six, five is just a deep pit of despair. The only star Wars or star Trek movie that may beat it is the second next generation movie. Oh no. Oh, I didn't believe this either. And I was so pissed off when I was watching this, you know what I told you?

I was one of the Twitch channels I watched, we watched all the episodes. So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Poor me. No, no, no. That's the first movie. This, the second generations is the first movie. Generations is first. And the second one is the, is the guy, is the guy. Oh no, no, no. That's not what I'm thinking of.

[01:01:00] I thought you were talking about the one with the, Oh, so this is sorry. This is the third one. Insurrection. Insurrection is crap. Yes. It looks like it's low budget. When the planet that's basically eaten and the, Oh, it's just, I don't even know how to, it's just horrible crap. You have these people who want to live forever and they want to take it out.

Yes, it is so bad. I mean, it just, the, the, the, I didn't realize how bad it wasn't doing. Like I said, the guy that, the stream that we all watched it on, like say 800 of us, he's a video, you know you know, w what do you call it? Videographer? That's what he does and sound and knock-on stuff. And he starts pointing out his I'm like, damn, this woman was already bad enough.

And now I'm seeing like, all these inconsistencies in the scenes and the lighting, I'm like, damn, I didn't realize it was that bad. It makes no sense. And it was stitched together garbage. Yeah. That one's worse. I would say then star Trek live. I'm gonna agree with that. I'm gonna agree with that. You sure?

Yeah. But that, but that was not my statement. Just for the record statement was the [01:02:00] original series movies. Your honor, my statement, my statements, and my client is called in mind. Therefore, you must found me not guilty. I'm going to buy you a copy of Phoenix, right? Let you play dirty. So, John, we got two more episodes of clone Wars next week.

William, thank you for joining us again for the movie podcast. Thank you for having me, John, as always. It's been fun having you in the Southern lawyer in the house tonight. I am honored and until next week everyone stay healthy and stay safe.