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[00:00:00] Eric: Hello, and welcome to episode 15 of the 11 parsecs podcast. My name is Eric. I'm joined by my good buddy, John. Hello. And today we are discussing mace Windu the comic series or episodes, the episodes comics two through five. These are the final four comics of the comic arc. , there were five comics in that arc.

This was produced in 2017, written by Matt Owens and drawn by Dennis Cohen, Edgar Salazar, first and foremost, John, as we do every podcast. Yeah. What are you drinking? Oh, what am I drinking? Okay. I am drinking tonight. I'm having creature comforts, crescendo, hazy IPA. All right. Hello, Atlanta brewery. I like it.

I like it. Or sorry, not Athens brewery. Athens, technically Athens, Georgia brewery. Forgot about that. Sorry, not really good. Really, really good. It's quite pricey. Mind you, but it's, it's, it's quite good. Quite tasty. Tonight. I am drinking an inshore slam. I sound like one of those. Yeah, exactly resourceful.

Yeah. Tonight I'm drinking an inshore slam IPA by coastal empire brewing from Savannah, Georgia. I'm keeping it in [00:01:00] state. Basically what I've been doing these last couple of weeks is anytime I buy a new six pack, like just something I haven't drank before I save one off. So I've got this like endless supply and I'm trying to choose the Georgia breweries first.

Right. But then eventually we're going to get up like Colorado, California, that kind of stuff. But I was in Iowa like a podcast or two ago. It was a last podcast. I believe you were in Iowa. Totally. You know, we, we, we take our, we, we we've interrupt when we can. When the waves aren't bad. And the COVID when I am so moved.

Yeah, we are so moved. We travel when we hit the one, but I have a soft spot for, for the local. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. I think we both do. All right. Are you ready to pop because I'm ready to get some beer. Me. I'm ready. Yeah, let's do it. That's a three, two, one pocket. Ooh. Are you drinking a bottle? Are you drinking a tall boy?

I hope nice. Your wait toppling life that we had. I think it was Tupac's podcasts ago that you've had or maybe it was three podcasts ago. They all seem to be tallboys. I liked that. I liked, I liked, I liked that were starting to come get me wrong. It ends up being four beers and it ends up being like 16 [00:02:00] bucks.

But yeah, but that's, and that's a problem. I agree. That's a problem. But that being said, they are allowed to be here. You know, I mean, when we go with a four pack, you have to be exactly. And this was going to say, because I see more and more at, at our local bottle shop. I see more and more four packs of bottles.

And I'm like, no, man, there's tall boys standing right next to you. I'm going with the tall boy that I have a drink before. Yeah. Yeah. The, the four-pack of bottles only way I'm doing that as if it's a Belgium. Yeah. Or, or it could be like something like super special, like like a, you know, like a end of the year holiday.

Uber IPA, you know, like a quad or something like that. I might go that way, but yeah, it's going to be really tough to compete. Yeah. All right. You already have some, I need some. Oh yeah. Well, I'm waiting for my head to go to him. That's good. That's very good. I have not had this before. It was very good about what to expect today, specifically for this podcast.

Nice. Yeah, it was kind of a kind of happy. I found something that I hadn't had before from Georgia. Okay. As we were talking, never heard of a, I'd never heard of [00:03:00] crescendo. Just saw it. Really good. Anyway, moving on. I don't think I've had Christian and I think about it. I've had a lot of their brews and they're hit or miss for me, creature comforts.

Some of them really like, man. Oh yeah. Like Trump cut and stuff. I'm like, Oh, this is great. And then other ones like Athena, I'm just like, Ooh, I'm not sure about this. Hmm. Maybe just not my thing. I don't know. All right. Mason window written my bad Owens. Drawn by Dennis Cowen and yourselves are five issues in this series come out 2017, late part of 2000, 2017.

I think it started in August and wrapped up by December. Which if I remember was kind of a drought for comics at that point, like I remember this being a pretty big series and I was really excited about it. On the last podcast. Oh, but let me, let me give a quick shout out to how this podcast works.

So right now we are on 22 BBY. Basically what we're doing is we have a list that was created in December of last year, and we are progressing through chronological order, chronological, BBY order, every single piece of star Wars, Canon books, movies Audio dramas, TV [00:04:00] shows everything, but we're trying to do it in progressive BBYO order.

So we start from the very beginning. Right now we are on podcast 15. We're a little bit into the list. There's a lot more of the list to go, but we also will call audible sometimes for new stuff that comes out. John and I have just started reading a lot of the Jedi by Charles Sewell. That'll probably be our first audible whenever we get both get done, reading that.

But we're sticking to this list. The list is posted on our website@elevenparsecs.com. Just go to the right-hand side, look at the list, click on it. And you will see the exact order in which we're going to be reading, consuming, listening to all these different pieces of cannon. Now. In saying that, be sure that you also understand that we are completely chock full of spoilers.

Most of the stuff that we're going to be encountering, a lot of the Jetta excluded. Cause it just came out is going to be. Years old. So this was, this stuff came out in 2017. We're looking at three or four years old. There were four years old. We're we're chocolate spoilers. We don't hold back on anything.

So if you do plan on reading what we're discussing today, which is the last issues of the mace Windu comic five-part comic series, they came out in 2017. Don't listen to us and we would love you as a listener. And please check back in on the next couple of [00:05:00] things that we have in chronological order, but we are total, total spoilerish.

So. Please be aware of that before you start to get into this podcast. And with that being said, John, we discussed issue one of mace Windu on the last podcast, you had a pretty strong opinion. I remember being, I kind of liked this comic a lot. You had a very strong opinion about the art and that's what was keeping me back from enjoying the first.

Comic. Did that get any better in? No, no, it does not. So it's terrible because I asked you specifically for a number one through a hundred, what you would rate the first comic and you never gave me an actual number. I don't think, but I could tell it was hovering pretty low because of the art is pretty, pretty darn.

Now that we have the full story. Oh, it's so low. It's such a low number. What? Oh, okay. So now, now we really going to discuss over here. So you didn't even like the story in the end? I don't, I don't really like any of this one really now. Okay. Okay. All right. It [00:06:00] doesn't make any sense. There's like this contrived, you know, in fighting.

Nope. Don't don't like it anticlimactic the whole, I mean, I'm, I'm skipping ahead a little here, but there's nothing satisfying about that. Let, let let's talk. Let's talk about this. The second comic. The second comic was definitely by far, probably the worst. In the series for me. If you remember at the end of the last podcast and the end of the first comic, we got introduced ADW for who was this mercenary?

You didn't know anything about him at the, the splash page, the last page that we got of the first comic, but you just see him standing there a full page, you know, like. I'm ready to go, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So the second comic kind of gives a little bit more of his backstory. He starts talking more about the Jedi starts talking.

He has a encounter with mace in the comic kit Festo. Isn't giving a crap about anything he's ready to bust them, blow some stuff up. The second comic is, like I said, it's probably the slowest of all of them, but it definitely introduces ADW four to mace that first fight that they have. How do you feel about the Uber capitalistic robot?

[00:07:00] It just, it just doesn't make any sense. I don't get it. I really don't. I kind of had the same thoughts with the, what was the, the bounty Hunter in Mandalorian that robot, you know, he goes through the whole character arc. Yeah. But, but originally it's like, I don't, what's the point? Why is a robot care about credits?

I don't get it. I've always wondered if this is a something that he was sorry, something that he was programmed to. Well, I don't know. Or is it, or is this something that he's developed over time? Like he actually understands the fact that credits equal power. And why does he care? I don't know. I just have an issue with the fundamental that just, just, just a concept is really what it is.

I just have an issue with it. It doesn't click with me. It doesn't, it doesn't ring. True. Why would somebody program a robot like this? I don't think we've seen in star Wars. Have we seen like, like robots, droids developing, evolving. [00:08:00] You know, you said maybe he grew into this. Maybe he taught himself, basically.

I don't think we've seen that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're saying that like the oldest to the AI has an Avaya hasn't chosen to evolve. I mean, we've always just seen in regular Androids. Yeah. Now that you say that he is kind of a newly archetype for Androids, I guess you could say in the star Wars universe, I'm trying to think of other Androids that we've seen.

At least up until now. I mean, you know, we don't want to give stuff away or at least maybe the movies that we see that have a little bit of feelings, you get to see the GPO at the end of the Skywalker arc. You know, I just want to take a look last, look at my friends. You know, there's a little bit of emotion there.

But yeah, I think you're right. Like Holy contrived moment. Yeah. Okay. We're not, we're not done with that far yet. Oh, okay. So, but, but I see what you mean about emotion, pure emotion. But even later on the comic series makes windows says, I know you're not able or capable of emotions. And he's like, well, I can set my tone though.

You know? And it's kind of like yeah, I guess it was trying to have it trying to have it, you know, all the different ways. [00:09:00] And I just don't, I don't like it. Okay. So, so, so there is, there is a neat thing that we've touched on, especially Williams touched on whenever we have some of the movie podcasts. There's a, there's a line that I wrote down specifically that he tells Macy says imposing your own moral compass on the galaxy is the height of arrogance.

Yeah. It's a good line. I think it's a good line. Yeah, I think, I think it's a good, it's a good way to convey. I don't want to say what he feels cause he's not feeling anything, but I think it's, it's a, it's a idea that the Jedi don't hear enough at this point. Thoughts. I mean, I would say the one thing this comic does is highlight the inherent contradiction of being a Jedi.

Yeah. Agreed. I think it is a very good job of that now. Well, let's, let's explore that. So there's an inherent contradiction into in, in the concept of a Jedi and a Jedi order. And what they're supposed to do, whose fault is that, is that, is that Lucas did Lucas just, you know, [00:10:00] again, he had this original, tight little story and he didn't really think it through, or he didn't, he didn't expect that it will expand so much.

Yeah. So anytime you have any, any time you have people who are dedicated to not just dedicated to peace. So that's what they claim they're dedicated to enforcing the piece. They're dedicated to order anything. Okay. Sure. Which is a very, very different thing, right? It's not peace per se. It's not peace. And that's what the, what's his face of flips out over, which again, did not ring true at all.

To me, it is just too shallow. See, I thought it was pretty good. Like, so, so deputy 40, he goes kind of like, you're not the, the, the leaders that you think you are. But then you have the whole prostate dibs arc. And I think that that's the guy I'm talking about. yeah. The, this little contrived, mid, mid stream fight to interject some, some drama.

I didn't like [00:11:00] it. I kind of do. I like prostate dibs, his character. I really do like, so we'll be seeing a lot more of him, but okay. So if you like his character, is he correct? It could be the fact that I've seen more of him and that's why I liked the characters. I want to be honest about it, but I enjoy the fact that.

He's blind, but yet he see, I mean, that's, that's, that's his character. It's just that he can't see, but he can't see, but now he can't have, can see what the jet are doing. It's it's an interesting, and we talked about with William on the last podcast. I mean, it, it's almost like you're creating you really feel like at this point you can attain peace by going to war.

And don't get me wrong. I mean, at this point, this is what they have to do. I get it. What is the uncertainty? That's what really ticks me off about it is what, what are you proposing? Just, just drop your lightsabers and kumbaya hug. Yeah, really? Is that I take it since you, since you, you, you, you like the character you like where he's going.

I did you like what he said, [00:12:00] take a moment to articulate his position. So his position is given away. And I think it's kind of like three maybe comic for where they are trying to save the. People of his, I think it was the name of the yeah. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. His rich history. You're trying to save the people of his rich and kit Festo, who, again is one of my favorite Jedi is like, all right, let's change it out for these guys.

Let's go tear him down. He was like, no, man, we gotta save all these people. There's a city that just had their roof collapse on them. And then you see kit Fiserv, just kind of pause for a second and be like, yeah, you're right. And they get to try to help the people. And it's just kinda like a. If you're a Jedi, which decision do you make?

If you're a true Jedi, that's sticking to the standards, which decision do you make? Do you chase after the villains so that you can stop this for tons of other people? Or do you go help these, you know, however many people are in need immediately. And solidify what you think your beliefs are. I mean, it's, it's a tough choice.

It's a, it's a conundrum. I don't okay. See, I'm a little [00:13:00] confused, cause I didn't see the you're talking about, they come across the, the cavern full of all the dead bodies. Right? Hold on one second. I'm gonna look it up. It's funny. Yeah. I've pulled up the, the panel here. Page 64, they find the dead bodies and, and that's when process.

Loses it. And he's like all this death we should have, we were supposed to protect them. Okay. Okay. You're talking about after the millet on. Yeah. Yeah. So, so there's a panel where after this creature that comes out because the What is the Federation at this point, it has already started pulling up these big magic Maguy mushrooms, which has created a bad situation for the people that live down in the city that they visited this big creature coming because he's not afraid of light anymore.

And he just tears it up and they kill him. You know it pretty quick, but then processes all these dead guys over in the side and he's kind of like, you know, what are we doing this war? We're just bringing, you know, hell to all these people and all these planets on the outer rim when we don't need to. And, and you're right.

I mean, there is a little bit [00:14:00] of a kit Festo being like, well, we got to look at the bigger picture, but besides these specific planet, you know, do you save the mini or do you say the few. You'll get you're really, really being charitable to what's his face, the blind guy. So he says clearly, right, the conflict extended it's malevolent, dentals to a planet that had nothing to do with this war.

And these people have paid the ultimate price for it. How is this us keeping the peace? How is this the Jedi? How is this the fault of the Jedi? What did the Jedi do to make them come to this planet and lay waste to it? Well, so I think process getting a. Small light inside his head saying, and he believes in it.

And again, the comic never really resolves this, this argument that prostate dibs has with mace window. He thinks that mace honestly knows what the empire is doing here and what exactly they are there for. They're there to secure this energy resource. And I think that's what process honestly believes whether he's right or wrong, [00:15:00] the comic never answers.

But he's saying that mace, you knew the entire time that we were coming here, that the empire needs this planet for the resource. And of course based windows, like, no, I, I, we came here because we knew the empire was on this planet and something must be up. And that's the big, that's the whole big catalyst of the fight scene.

I, I just, I don't, I don't see what sets profit off. I think he's, I, I think, I think in this, I think in this scene, he has figured out that. They are sent here to specifically do the exact same thing that the empire is doing at this point that they they're in the same word at this point. And just stop the separately.

That's that's the, that's the question of the comic and the comic never answers that question. I never does MEI MEI, MEI steadfastly, whenever they're, whenever they're having their argument. And eventually their lightsaber fight prostate dibs agenda, master and mace, Windu a jet general master, whatever they're called at this point, go into a lightsaber fight.

Yeah. Go into a lightsaber fight because prostate is so mad [00:16:00] at it. Makes windows saying you knew the entire time we were sitting here that we were coming down here to see what they're trying to figure out so that we can get the resource for the Jedi and the resistance. Northern clones and, and, and Macy's like, to be fair again, the comic never answers it.

Mason's like, no, no, no, no. I didn't know this. Well, you know, I was sent here by Yoda to come down and maybe Yona knows it. But Mae steadfastly says, I did not know that this was the reason that we were being sent here. And prostate dibs is just like your, you know, your fullest. I mean, I I'm telling you right now, I realize.

You know, long ago that this Jedi order is not what it's cracked up to be. We don't really reside on our principles. We specifically resent on the fact that we need to win this war. And I think that's what he's torn with. And I think that, that the dead bodies after the middle of that attack is what turns him.

And he's just like, no, we knew the whole time what we were coming here for. Do you not get that drift? Well, now I am finding the panels that you're talking about and I, I will agree with you that the comic does not answer that question. Yeah, I agree. It doesn't, [00:17:00] it never, it never, it never answers whether it makes really knew what the mission was.

It leaves it up to the reader. Yeah. I have a touch, more sympathy, a touch, more sympathy for prostate, but I still think he's a jackass. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not saying he's going to be a hero in any sense of the word future, but I am saying that I kind of understand a little bit better, even though I don't, I don't know who I would side with whether like, and I think that that's the, the other two Jedi kid Festo and Risa, like, they're both just kind of like, should we jump into this?

And I think at Vista is pretty solidly on mace Windu side. I think Rissa is probably saw Liam is Wendy's side, but again, it's never really answered, like. You know, mace were, did he know, does he know the whole time that they're being sent down here to figure out what's going on this planet? Why it's resource happy and then make sure that that resource ends up under the, the, the control of, you know, the Jedi of the clones.

I mean, I, you know, it's a good question. And I think that the writer does a really good job of bringing it up in a way that, you know, that says we will never know. [00:18:00] Then there's never a panel in the comic that answers it. So it's an interesting conundrum in my opinion, because prostate dibs now is totally pissed off is, is ready to leave the Jedi order so much that he believes that, that this was really just a, you know a scouting mission for we're a war resource.

So are you allowed to leave the general order or not know? It's very interesting because like in the last couple of panels of the last comic, whenever he's being quote unquote sentenced. You know, you can definitely tell that he's like, Oh, well he wants to die harder. And the Jedi council is ready to do that.

Yoda's ready to do that. And then, you know, and then Mason windows, he took up. He, I mean, he, he took up, he fought with, with a mace in the panels before the fight, he says, I'm going to leave. And what does may say to that? I don't remember what is he said, I will not hesitate to hunt you down. Yeah, that's right.

I forgot about that. Yeah, he does say that. And he has the flashback, the next thing. Yeah. Yeah. They shouldn't let them leave. [00:19:00] Right. I thought you could. I'm that? We've seen that in the stories we've done so far because they're on a mission. Okay. So there's like real military consequences here. I don't know.

They're on AWOL soldier and they're acting all generalist. I don't know. I don't, you know, I don't know what the. Do the Jedi like fundamentals say that when we're at war, you can't leave. I mean, I, you know, I don't know. I, yeah, the simple answer, the simple read of it is that it's just contradictory. And when we maybe, maybe mace thinks that this guy, as we discussed the last time we talked about, can you just leave?

Maybe mace thinks that he's too powerful. He's he can't just leave. So I won't let you. Yeah. That's I did not take it that way, but you're saying that this guy is, this guy knows not knows too much, but is so advanced that we don't want him to leave. It's either that, or a lot of it that way. I really never thought of it as like, we're on a mission.

I need you. Why don't you, it's one of those things. Once you reach like level seven, you know, [00:20:00] feta. You can't just, you can't just walk away or can you, I, I don't know. I I don't know, but it's all right. So what was your opinion of the flashback where we have a mace Windu as a young apprentice? So we have Sizzlin mere, I think it was his Jedi master and they, they, they chase down an imposter who, let's be honest, if you're going to do anything in this galaxy impersonating a Jedi master is probably like the, the impersonating a police officer.

Like what do you hope to gain? Like it's impersonating like iron man or something. Yeah, exactly. It's it's like, well, you're not going to get away with it. You know? It's like, why would you even attempt to do it? And then not only that, but there obviously was a GI master that you had to, I don't, I don't know.

You never know what happens to the Jedi master that he takes over. We don't know what happens though. So like, so like, you don't think the jet are going to come after, after you to see what's going on and w they've lost communications with their Jedi. And then now you're just going to, and let's be honest also there's this planet [00:21:00] is plagued by the Niffen plague.

I mean, you just take your kingship here. I mean, like, like that's what you want to do. Codman man, look for the openings. I understood the soft targets and they, and they always think that they can out con they think that they can get their way out of any situation. So, so just, just for the listeners that are trying to understand what's going on as soon as prostate dibs.

So basically prostate dibs has this epiphany that we talked about whenever they were fighting him and get Vista or to in a separate place and then mace Windu and RESA or in another place on this planet. And kit Festo and process end up finding this huge monster the mill add-on and then they see all these dead bodies of the people that helped them earlier.

They built the city and all this other stuff. And they, you know, prostate has his breakdown, I guess you'd call it where he's just like, what are we doing this for ball block. They all meet back up and he confronts me and it's, and it's, it's like, I'm leaving kind of thing. It makes us like, no, you're not.

And they, they go out, they start fighting and confessors holding Rissa back and It's a [00:22:00] weird ending of the comic, in my opinion, because then the beginning of the next comic is a flashback to when mace and his Jenna master sisal and mirror are on a planet a long time ago, where there's a playground and planet.

The people are dying a lot. There was a Jedi master named who was on this planet trying to take care of it or set up You know, spiritual places and, and just trying to help the people and this guy named drools, who is just a weird Druze, who, which is just a weird name, claims that he does something with the jet master.

I don't, they never talked about that, but basically he sets up. And proclaims themselves, somewhat of a religious pariah, I guess, type situation. And he sits on a throne and just kind of like says, you're not giving enough, give more, give more, give more. And the genetic in front of him, which is a really poor plan in my opinion to begin with.

But, but regardless, we've established that the comment tries to find his in wherever you can and mace and his Jedi master are forced to [00:23:00] do take this guy out may S wants to kill the guy after he kept prism. And his Jedi master mere says, no, he needs to go be before the council and be judged.

I thought it was a weird flashback. I, it just felt forced a little bit, you know what I mean? Like it just forces a good word. Yeah. It just, it was just kind of like if it had happened maybe even earlier, maybe like in comic one or something, I'd be like, Oh, okay. We're setting up some stuff. We're set up a little bit of the story, but it just felt really weird being at the very beginning of the third.

Comic. And then like literally the next panel is him with prostate dibs. Well, that's what they was running to do is they were trying to flip back and forth and, and show either parallels or have the flashback provide a little extra insight. And no, I don't, I don't see it doing that at all. It doesn't, it's just story.

Yeah. And it's just like, Macy's probably done this a million times before. Like, I don't understand why this one. Specific instance, as opposed to set us back because this Drew's guy is a just terrible lowlife [00:24:00] person and you don't feel for him at all as a, as a character. And it makes, would've just wagged his head off.

I've been like, okay, You know, and, but, but then like, but then like you have prostate dibs who was honestly like, you know, I'm not saying he's bright, but from whatever his perspective is, he's like pouring his heart out, saying we're not doing the right thing. Is Jedi, not me. I'm saying we all aren't and then Mesa just kind of like, yeah, let's knock them out and put them in the ship.

We'll take them back to the Jedi council. I don't know. It's kind of, kind of weird for me. Yeah. And the fact that after the, the, the big sword fight that you're, you're, you know, you're supposed to look forward to in the end is just, you know, a little forced Bush boom, and maze wins. Yeah. And any, any, any pools?

The, I can't, I don't remember whether it was his light saber, or it was Macy's light. Saber just kinda knocks him out. I'm like, you can't just knock out a Jedi. Like it doesn't work. Like they tie him up and throw them in the ship. Like, like it looks like he's hogtied and then like knocked out and I'm like, that's not the way it works.

I mean, you know, it's like [00:25:00] you train this guy, he's a giant master, you know, that just like cracking your lightsaber against the side of his. Temple's not really gonna keep him knocked out until you get all the way back to, you know, curse on her wherever. And it's just like, I don't know. It was, it was a weird, it was, that was a weird kind of Thing that we had to had to swallow, I guess, for this comic.

But that being said, I liked the comic overall in, you know, with a fight with WD 40 is going to come down to the end, you know, you're just kinda like, okay, well, and it was very, anti-climactic just, just not, not much of a battle. Yeah, that, yeah, that, that's probably, that's probably my biggest pet peeve about that battle is just that, like I expected like.

I don't know, like 10 pages going back and forth. What makes window is just like, you know, you're, you're actually worried about it at some point. No. Yeah. You're not worried about him at all. Like, you're just like roid has these secret weapons or he's got these really killer moves that he's learned. Cause he's a, you know, a mercenary assassin, whatever.

But no he's really got not, not, not just the club and that's it. And Mesa doesn't really have to do anything special [00:26:00] or clever or Alma. He doesn't almost lose. I mean, it's just, in fact it makes me wonder. Cause he gets punched several times. gets punched by a metal robot guy. That's kind of like break some bones.

Yeah, I agree. So buddied up, but it doesn't. So is he like forced cushioning the blows. I don't know, that's a good man. And also to the faith that he has in our red shirt Rissa for that thing to blow up above him. Yeah. Yeah. That was supposed to be the little lady she was. Yeah. Well, yeah. So it was, it was almost like a, yeah.

And then the, the whole, like she's brand new, you know, he's trusting her to go do this one thing. I didn't want to have to trust you on this, but you're going to have to do it. You know, I, I, you thought she was a red shirt. You thought she was ref Richard for the beginning. Didn't you. Yes. Yeah. You very much.

I remember you saying it and I remember yeah. Then she wasn't going to die, but I don't remember what she did, but yeah, I [00:27:00] guess she impressed me a little bit. I'm eager to see if we see her anymore is you definitely seek it this, so, and you'll definitely see prostate dibs, but I wonder if we'll see Rissa anymore, because I don't think that I rec I remember any other time that she's been in a, the comics that I've read now, clone Wars and all that kind of stuff.

I don't know. We'll see. They aren't, they aren't building her up quite a bit. They are, yeah. The tinkerer, like she gets stuff done on the, on the tinker front. And it's almost, no, not just that, not just that, but when the, when the software is going on. Cause I made to do this when this war fight is going on and she's, she says we shouldn't be fighting each other.

I mean, yeah, duh. Right. But Kim Festo, as a way to build her up says you speak so wisely for someone so new. Yeah. I agree. That's freaking common sense, what you just said, and shouldn't be fighting each other, her age archetype, like the, the mechanic kind of person, like it's a little antiquing desk, you know what I mean?

Remember the antiquing and but we wouldn't come up with a earlier we're antiquing, fixes up all the droids and all this other kind of stuff. I get that vibe from them. I do. Again though, I don't, I don't [00:28:00] remember this, that anyone ever mentioning her. Out of the comics for, you know, coming from this point, but maybe she was in the clone Wars and stuff.

I don't know. It's interesting. What did you think of the head shooting off the Jordan Guy? I thought that was a lame thing at the head. The head shoot. Remind me what you're talking about. Okay. So WT 40, 80 w four or whatever his name is. At the very end of the battle after maze is like crammed his lightsaber into the Georgia chest.

He he goes, you will pay. Everybody says you will pay the ultimate price for choosing the wrong side. And the droid says you're religious man master don't you believe in life after death. And then the head shoots off the droid. And I assume that it's going to kick in an afterburner and fly somewhere so that he can live again.

Oh, I actually misunderstood that. I see it now. He's I thought mace wouldn't mace like throw them up into the sky. Oh no, no, no. I think he's blasting off to go, you know, building a body somewhere. Cool. And it makes us kind of like then crushes it right. Yeah, no, I thought it was just a may showing off.

I'm gonna throw you up in the sky. [00:29:00] Yeah. Agreed. Well, okay. So I think, I think that we're escaping head is way cooler escape head is cool. And I think that escape had leading to mace destroying it is, I think we're on the same page though, that in the end it just makes me in a badass, you know what I mean?

Yeah. But. I, you know, it was a weird thing to me. Like I'm like, do all these droids have like escape heads that can just like fly off. No, that's the kind of thing I was talking about that we should have seen more of the kind of stuff. Let me say this. If you're a droid you escape head like at night and just kind of fly around the neighborhood and look at people like you stare into their windows and then escape, head back to your body.

Well, I mean, if I could do it, I would, I mean, I mean, you know, it's kind of a, it's kind of a neat trick to have. They should have let that they, they may, should have like reached out and not been able to do it. That that's how that should have happened now that I understand what's going on. It's great.

You're saying, you're saying the escape edge should have escaped. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's a better ending. Okay. Yeah. I agree. Like where is this guy now? Yeah. Is he, is he an escape head on like this really weird body? [00:30:00] Cause I mean, cause I mean you got to know the scars on his head match the scars on his body because he's been, you know, he's been doing this for so long as a Merck, but.

You know, when he lands, it has to pick a body. Is he just kinda like, why did he get my money? Because I didn't deliver my water. This is a standard, it's a standard model. You pick it off the rack and then he did, he scars it up to make it look right. So you think, so you think it's like, like the high school or they're trying to like ask you to wash their jeans, you know, or just kind of like he goes and gets a brand new spanking body and it just kind hits it with some hammers and be like, Oh yeah, this was from one of the girls on diggable.

That's right. Throw in the washer a little bit. There you go. I think people can still, I, so, so we always used to laugh when I worked at a a place that did fitness that the new shoes that people at the beginning of the year. Who new year's resolution of course is to lose weight. So they buy brand new pair of shoes and they would come into the gyms and, you know, everybody call it new shoes.

And that's, that's, that's a neat name. I like that name. Yeah. So, so it was kinda, it, it, it stopped, it wasn't derogatory at all because new shoes, people needed services and these people provided [00:31:00] services and everybody made money and it was a part, it was part of the church. Sure. But but yet, but they would always talk about how some people were like, kind of scuff up the new shoes.

So then of course it looked like you were there, but you could definitely tell that's not a natural scuff. That's like, you know, it's not a worn in shoe. It's just a shoe with like a bunch of junk on it, you know? So it's, huh? That, that means you must have gone. You must have been a new shoe at some point and realized, and then you said never again, never again, will I, I'm going to fail, going to the gym shoes.

And I'm like, every year you're like, God, I gotta buy a new pair of shoes and they're going to call me new shoes. Yeah. So I feel like that's what this guy has got to do with his new body. If he got away, he didn't get away. Mason destroyed it, but he should've gotten away if he did get away. I'm sure it's like on his fourth body, he was like, yeah, we just got this thing up a little bit.

I'm going to make the ladies think that this is a real Merck. Yep. Got it. Got it. You know, put on some parsecs here and you can't just have it right off the rack. Yeah. So [00:32:00] the new head thing was neat. I thought that would escape. Headache was neat. I thought that was kind of a neat way to, to like have it.

I I'm amazed that mace was able to just reach up in the story very quickly. So yeah, that, that, that was amazing. We knew, of course we know within the movies Samuel Jackson wanted him to be about us, you know, so purple lightsaber, his own color lights. You have this character. It's funny that you have this star Wars character that is built off a real human.

And, and has to follow these guidelines that like the real human set, like, I mean, don't get me wrong. It's comics. Good. I, I liked a lot more than you did, but that being said, like you, can't not walk away from this comic being like not only is Mesa, the bad-ass from a physical standpoint, but then at the end he has this, you know, kind of humble pie.

He wants to let prostate dibs know that we're not going to kill you. I've learned over time. We're going to make you work in a library because that's the worst thing we can do to you is make you work in a light. Seriously. What kind of messages that go work in the library? You'll lose her. Yeah. I don't understand how [00:33:00] working in the library like works.

Like how does this mean that he can't see, he can't read the books. Oh, I know he can't, he can't find the book for you. I mean, I get it. I mean, like, what does he do? But still I, but like, that's a, that's a, that's a him thing, but I'm just saying like, is that like a punish, like, cause we've read multiple comics where like the two whenever it was in the audio drama doki, Jenna loss, it was docu.

And Cepheus whenever they got in trouble for breaking into that one part of the library, they had to work in the library for like the next like four weeks. Right. So like working in the library ranges from like, Stupid kid Harry Potter problems to like prostate dibs who pretty much was about to be killed by the Jedi council.

And now he's working in the library, like that's, that's his punishment. I mean, you know, he's talking to all the, all the, the semi bad kids being like, Hey man, we gotta get out of here. So. Mr. Mr. Critical of everything, what should his punishment have been so well? So the original based on the comic, the original panel suggested that he was going to be killed.

I don't know what his punishment should have been. I [00:34:00] don't understand what the Git are just are just like, Hey, you don't believe in what we do. We get that. You go, I mean, I don't know. What do you think it should be? I have no idea. He did attack me his window. I mean, he did attack. Yeah. He did attack him.

So I mean, you can't. Yeah. You can't discount that. And I'm not saying like, maybe if he would have walked away, but also he tried to kind of walk away and Macy's walking away and Mason's like, no, you won't. Right. And I don't know what rules govern that because, and I don't think the Jedi should really either because.

I mean, I'm sure it probably would all the old or the newer, a lot of the Jedi books we'll probably get into Jedi's being in other Wars, but you know, I, is there a code of conduct during war time that is different than the Jedi code? I don't know. Back in the docu Jetta lost, they said that there was only 12 Jedi that has ever left the order.

I think at that point that was my, that was my point earlier as they were allowed to leave. Yeah, I couldn't work. Yeah. Yeah. kind of provoked him. And I understand that this needed him for this mission or what have you. And that's why he thought that he continued to stay on the [00:35:00] mission. But yeah, definitely.

I agree with you that mace provoked him and he was just ready to go home. He didn't want to do this anymore. He didn't believe in it, you know? So what do you do? Do you say, okay, well here's your planet go for it, you know? Okay. So that gets back to the the broad question of what is the purpose of punishment?

Is it, is it to rehabilitate or is it to just. Yeah, exact vengeance. Probably. Yeah. The age old philosophy question. I don't, I don't know. Or is it simply the lock your ass away? So you, you, we protect society from you. Yeah. Well, so, so we've seen that too again with the docu jet, I lost book. They would lock, you know, certain people that had four visions.

In the Citadel. Right. And they wouldn't let them out, you know? And that, again, brings up another question that I'm sure prostate did was kind of like you were locking people away just because of a certain Jedi power that they have, you know, like, is that right? You know, like are always, are we able to do that?

I mean, have we seen that in, in any of the Canon I guess I have to say so [00:36:00] far. I guess we haven't, but I was about to ask the question, I guess I'm not supposed to know the answer to, but basically an insane Jedi. A psychopathic or sociopathic. I do not know an exact instance in the future in which we will see that in any of the candidate material, but I'm sure that has to be explored in some way.

Wouldn't that? I mean, think of it, you know, somebody like a Hannibal as Chad. I, yeah, there's a story right there. Yeah. Again though, that's probably why we talked about, you know, previous episodes to where they get them young. You know, like they, they don't, they won't accept you. And Ken was the exception, you know, they won't accept you if you're not, you know, of X age and below just because they can't, they can't control that narrative at that point, you know?

Yeah. The question becomes like, if somebody like will like that from birth, you know, is it a nature version after, you know, is it, and they're training them up, you know, and, and hours and yeah, well, no, no, no, no, no. He's much more subversive, much more subtle. Interesting. Sociopath's can, can pass for normal.

That's. Part of what makes them sociopathic. Remember one of these characters, [00:37:00] John. Okay. That's cryptic. It is cryptic, but we'll, we'll we'll see them later. Is that girl. I know it. It's a Risa Risa. That's never the same from panel to panel. None of them are the same from pet I'm looking at on the last did.

So it's very funny though. The last podcast we discussed it, and I think that I just been reading comics for so long that I, I just, I, I, I find like it, my brain doesn't register. This is not the first comic we've read. No, I am not a comic book expert. This is not the first one we read. And none of them ever jumped out like this.

Agreed. I totally agree with that. I totally agree with the, the, the CapEx that we have read the Anacon and OB one is probably some of the best art, in my opinion, in this series or in this in star Wars, comic book history, other than maybe Lando and some other comics. Yeah. I agree. Like, as I, as I was reading these, I was remembering your comments from the last podcast.

And there were definitely so mace changed all the time, like just all the time. And then there's this one panel toward the very, very end where Macy's looking [00:38:00] out at the horizon. He says we have stuff coming up or something like that in the coming in the coming years or in the coming Wars. And it is like the worst drawn uh, soca and like other stuff, like it is like terrible.

Like, and I was just kinda like, yeah, I think, I think I was able to, whenever I was reading it for fun, I was able to give it the past just because it was like, Hey, good story. I enjoyed it. But yeah, after the last podcast, I definitely noticed a lot more, especially in the last comic, I was just kinda like, Oh, okay.

All right. Well, we've been like this. Yup. Got it. It was annoying from beginning to end. Agreed. Agreed. Yeah, it was, it was, it was sorry. I'm not an artist. I can't do any better, but so, but, but part of it is just because of the fact that the anecdote Adobe one series is so well-drawn like, I love, I love the art of that series.

Like it is, it is so. Amazing. And I think that all the major republics that we've read this far are just very similar, not similar to the anecdote we won, but they're all very, they're their own beast. Like they're all drawn very similarly. They're consistent for panel to panel. [00:39:00] This was the first one that kind of jumps around a little bit more.

Yeah. And once you, once you said it, I didn't notice it. It just, it, it keeps breaking me out of the story. And it never broke me on the story. Even in the second reading, whenever I saw it, I was just like, Oh, okay. Yeah, John's random at that panel. And then I kept reading it, you know, but, but still like, I, yeah, I get, if you're early in reading comics, you're probably just like, can't they keep it the same from page.

Okay. I finished reading one page and I go to the next page. I'm like, well, who the hell is? Oh, that's mace. Yeah. I didn't notice a lot more too. And kit his face. Yeah. Like from, from panel to panel, I'd be like, Hey, don't get me wrong. You know, who get this too is, you know, based off he's not, he's not a human, so I'm more forgiving of that.

Yeah. Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. You're saying this really bothered you with the evens. Yeah. Mace windows designed after an actual person. So I know what that person looks like. It could, it could not look like Samuel Jackson and that's fine. As long as it looked like the same person, every time, I will [00:40:00] say that there were some kind of like, So the last couple of panels where Yoda's talking.

Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. There's one panel where Yoda looks, I can't even describe what the, what he looks like there. An old one, man. Oh, he looks very weird. Yeah. Agreed. He looks like Yoda from Bernie Sanders. That's what he looks like. He looks like he's got his mittens on it's a men's on him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I'll agree with you. I will, I will. I, will I, on the last podcast, I was kind of like, are you really bothered by that? But Natalie imaged it to me, another bite tail a little bit. I'm able to read through it, but it was, I agree. Also prostate dibs toward the end, too. Like his little mask thing, like the Daredevil mask mask things kind of weird.

Like it's like, it's like, it's like, it's stuck to his head or something now at this point, but right. Painted on. All right. So overall. What do you give this series? [00:41:00] Three, a freaking three or four. Okay. So we, you are literally 607 below your lowest score. I don't know. I talking about it actually may made me like it a little more escape, head, get some points for that.

This is the best part of his podcast talking about it has made me not like it more. Right. Meaning in the middle of John we're mere hot. I'm cold. We stir it up and we come out to medium lukewarm warm. Yeah. There you go. All right. So, so out of a hundred you didn't actually give me a score. Last time I went back and listened to the audit.

You did not give me a score last time. So I felt that you were the sixties maybe last time, but words in your mouth. It was where do you, where do you feel like you land after reading all five? Yeah. The sixties, low sixties, low sixties. Yeah. Low sixties. Okay. So, so low sixties, I have been brought down from what I probably would have said was an 82.

Mm. 73 74. Okay. Yeah. I, so not that far [00:42:00] apart. I w I wanna, I wanna reflect on prostate dibs later on. Okay. I want us to, to, to get into some more content and then reflect back on kind of the origin of him later on. But I think that this, this books or this, this volume, or these five issues critical mission was to introduce the world to him.

And it's going to be interesting to see what your opinion is later on. Fair enough. If the, if these did a good job, Right. And that's, and that's, and that's, that's definitely a task, especially after rereading these, like I've noticed that, that I, I agree with you about the art and some other stuff. So yeah, it's good.

So, thanks for joining us discussing the last five lessons in the last five, the five issues of the Mason Wendy's series. The last four is what we discussed on this podcast. We're getting into some TV shows. And I'm kind of excited about this. So, so far the first podcast was about master apprentice.

The next couple of podcasts were about the Darth Maul comics. So much of age Republic comics. Then we got into fate of Minnis which [00:43:00] was our first movie podcast. We then read the mannequin series, which we've referenced on this podcast before. And that was a great comic book series. I think we both enjoyed that.

Then we got into queen shadow, which I think we were a little lukewarm on the book itself, but it was, it was, it was a well-written book some orange Republic. Stuff dokie jet. I lost the audio drama episode, two attack of the clones. And then now we are kind of done with comics for a little bit.

There's some major republics coming up, but I think for the next four or five podcasts, we are going to be reviewing. Clone Wars episodes. So the VR, so we, again, we're going by chronological order and on a list that's on our website, 11 parsecs.com and this chronological order that we found, we are now going to be starting out with a season two episode 16 cat and mouse.

And the second one that we're going to be watching in this for the next podcast is going to be. Season one, episode 16, the hidden enemy. So just to make sure everybody's on the same page with this, we're not going to be watching the clone Wars series in order as they [00:44:00] were delivered to TV, we were watching them in BBY order and an, an order.

Th so there's a lot of stuff that kind of happened around 22. But this is an order that people feel like is the correct order for sequencing. So our next podcast, we're going to be reviewing two episodes of the clone Wars and I'm kind of excited getting into the TV medium because we haven't watched anything in on TV.

John, I have never seen the show, so I am very much looking forward to it. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm interested to see, so I, whenever I did watch the show and I probably watched the first two seasons I watched them in order as they came out. So I'm kind of interested to see how these. Later shows how we're watching them at the beginning.

I'm like, what, what are the, what story are they telling that we need to know for, you know, future episodes? So I'm excited about it. So again, podcast 16 will be our next podcast. We'll be watching season two, episode 16, cat and mouse of the clone Wars, and also season one, episode 16, the hidden enemy. And then we actually have the clone Wars movie.

So until then stay healthy and stay safe.